I just got back from Target and I'm really impressed with the chinos. My first impression is that they're better than other brands selling for twice as much. They have tapped seems and the seat construction is sewn like a pair of trousers. I ended up getting a pair of athletic fit. If you're concerned about the upside down triangle look, size up several inches in length. Since they're tapered, hemming off 4 inches will result in a large hem circumference.