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Thread: *Fleming: The Man Who Would Be Bond* on BBC (America)

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    Got Daniel Craig.

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    It's interesting that something from such a bad writer turned into the franchise it did.

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    I got Roger Moore. Too heavy on the ladies I guess. Watched episode 3 of Fleming and it was pretty enjoyable. It's interesting to see his struggle of wanting to be in the field, where the action is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Duvel View Post
    It's interesting that something from such a bad writer turned into the franchise it did.
    I don't consider his writing bad. He has an interesting and unique writing style that is very descriptive and I've enjoyed. There is definitely a reason that the Fleming Estate has published James Bond continuation novels and sought out authors who wrote the novels 'in the style of' Fleming, trying to recreate his prose. For their time, they were considered outlandish and crude by the literary world, but they were also highly acclaimed in popular culture. Sales of Bond novels reportedly skyrocketed after JFK named From Russia With Love as one of his favorite novels. While I haven't read every Bond novel, I can say that the Blofeld trilogy, in particular, is an entertaining read.

    Notably, as well, the best Bond films are also usually those that take the most from the novels. And the better ones are usually when the director at least talks about wanting to bring Bond back in line to the literary character. So, I wouldn't write Fleming off simply as a bad writer. A lot of modern best sellers today make Fleming read like Shakespeare. About two years ago when I was stuck in the hospitalI read a James Patterson book, talk about BAD.

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    Fleming can become a little too descriptive and long-winded for my tastes. Okay, he's not a "bad" writer. I guess I'm just ruined from being an English major.

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    SPOILERS

    So the series is over. I really enjoyed episodes 1 & 3 and didn't like 2 & 4 much. The finale felt cheesy to me. When he is searching for Ann and that music? And they crammed too much in. All that 'tension' and then him and Ann are resolved as married in one of those afterlogues? But what bothered me and confused me the most was how he names James Bond. They have that scene with his brother, the description of the name game, and how he wants to name him Harry Aiken - or something. Which anyone who knows how Bond got his name knows is incorrect... but that right before the credits roll, we do actually see James Bond's book, Birds of the West Indies.

    I think the miniseries could have made a decent television show, but as a mini series it just jumped around too much. For those with Netflix, I saw they recently added a documentary on Fleming that was an enjoyable watch. I would love to see a TV show that was closer to what they portrayed. The show could be similar the 4th episode where we saw the entire adventure from his point of view, and it was made clear that he embellished made up a lot of it. Maybe at the beginning of each episode they could start it with a quote from one of the novels and you'd see how what he did inspired a scene or a book. I don't know, I'm just spitballing, but I think it was a missed opportunity.

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    The opening passage of Casino Royale is usually considered great writing in my experience hearing it discussed. And if heavy description is in question, Tolkien was quite guilty of very dense lingering in a location for the sake of description. It's just a style, not a fault. Of course, one style can be preferred over another, but neither of them necessarily wrong.

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    Okay.

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    Well... I almost forgot about this thread, as it took me a while to get back to the DVR and finish watching the last ep in the miniseries. Overall, I really enjoyed it. I tend to like quite a bit of British TV, and this was similar to some of those that I dig, in various ways. I also really liked the sets, the period, and the overall "look" of the show. Add to that the fact that it was Bond (in some form), it was a definite win for me.

    I agree that the end kinda petered-out, but maybe it was rushed for the 4-ep run. Dunno.

    One thing that I thought was kinda lame was how... well "lame" his brother became. First off he's a huge douche. Then he's all cool with Ian? I guess whatever he saw out there in the war changed him significantly... in the typical ways, I'm sure, but also in level of doucheyness.
    Last edited by yoyorobbo; March 7th, 2014 at 02:14 PM.

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    I'd like to learn how much of the show is fiction and how much factual. I'm wondering if Fleming's WWII career was really all that colorful.

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    I've heard good things about:

    Ian Fleming by Andrew Lycett http://www.amazon.com/Ian-Fleming-An...ming+biography

    Fleming's Commandos by Nicholas Rankin http://www.amazon.com/Ian-Flemings-C...ings+commandos

    i haven't read either but they're on my Amazon wish list to do so soon.

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