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  • #16
    Originally posted by lax101 View Post
    ties are at the highest level of formality
    Wait... what?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by whereismurder View Post
      Wait... what?
      I stick by what I said. I don't think you should wear a tie without a suit, and a suit and tie is as formal as it gets in terms of dress code, except for black tie, which is just a specific kind of suit (i.e., a tux) with a specific kind of tie (i.e., a black bowtie).

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      • #18
        I have done it, and I think with the right combination, it can look great. I would probably choose a more textured tie such as a silk knit, and a button down shirt. If you go this route, please share a picture!

        I also disagree that ties are at the highest level of formality, even if we disregard black/white tie. The formality of clothing depends a lot on cut, texture, and color. For instance, I would have a hard time considering something like a textured tweed sport coat worn with a knit tie to be at the "highest level of formality."

        I really like this article from Permanent Style describing one possible scale of formality. What I like about it is that he describes how each example could be altered to be a little more or less formal within the categories, and that there may actually be overlap between categories. The presence and type of tie is certainly a major factor, but by no means the only one. It's perhaps worth noting that ties show up explicitly in the first 4 of his 7 categories, and one could argue that they might fit in the last 3 as well.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by christophe View Post
          I have done it, and I think with the right combination, it can look great. I would probably choose a more textured tie such as a silk knit, and a button down shirt.
          I'll second this. I work in a semi casual environment so I can't ever really wear a suit like I want, but I do often wear the odd paring a button down, shawl collar cardigan, and textured tie, especially during the winter months. Generally I stick to white/light blue OCBD's and a textured wool tie. I have a couple from Jcrew and the tie bar that IMO look more at home with the cardigan than they do with a more formal suit or sport coat. I would just treat the cardigan like you would a less formal jacket like a really significant tweed or a really bold pattern jacket. Generally this has suited me in knowing what tie will go shawl collar cardigan and which ones wont.

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          • #20
            moisture wicking and insulating base layer, button up, v neck sweater, sport coat. Allows for the most adjustment by removing a small layer and will be very warm, especially if its a tweed or some other heavier sport coat.

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            • #21
              Did a dry run today of the outfit I was going to wear and opted against it. I don't think it looked that bad, but I think I will wear a base layer or a v-neck and sport coat to look more put together and to make myself feel better anyway. I'll be more confident in a jacket I think and I can always take it off when I am seated. Thank you all for the recommendations.

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              • #22
                I like it. Maybe with one more button unbuttoned.
                WHY ARE THE GUYS IN SUITS HERE? HAS SOMETHING GONE WRONG?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Shade View Post
                  Did a dry run today of the outfit I was going to wear and opted against it. I don't think it looked that bad, but I think I will wear a base layer or a v-neck and sport coat to look more put together and to make myself feel better anyway.
                  I'd agree a jacket and v-neck is a better choice. That cardigan's relatively chunky knit makes the collar seem to swallow the shirt and tie. A smooth knit sweater with a smaller shawl collar might work; I wore such a combination, though in a pullover, a few times at the office as I built my suit collection.

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                  • #24
                    Its not a bad look, but very, very, very Mr Rogers.
                    I can't find the stationary. -- James Bond

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                    • #25
                      I think it's gonna be perfectly fine

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                      • #26
                        I would wear it. But I like cardigans and Mr Rodgers would be one of the nicest things I have been called in my life so I am cool with it.

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                        • #27
                          Not a thing wrong with Mr Rogers.
                          I can't find the stationary. -- James Bond

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                          • #28
                            So now that you big day has past, overall what was the experience like on Thursday?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Topspot View Post
                              So now that you big day has past, overall what was the experience like on Thursday?
                              I chickened out on a sweater. I was going to wear a v-neck underneath my sport coat, but it was too tight in the sleeves with the one that I had planned on wearing. I ended up just going with a regular suit, but I wore a long sleeve base layer under my shirt, which was not noticeable at all. I was definitely warm enough and ended up taking off the coat a little while after my talk. I did wear the shawl cardigan on Friday though, with no tie, in an act of defiance!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Shade View Post
                                I chickened out on a sweater. I was going to wear a v-neck underneath my sport coat, but it was too tight in the sleeves with the one that I had planned on wearing. I ended up just going with a regular suit, but I wore a long sleeve base layer under my shirt, which was not noticeable at all. I was definitely warm enough and ended up taking off the coat a little while after my talk. I did wear the shawl cardigan on Friday though, with no tie, in an act of defiance!
                                That's alright, at least its behind you now. With that experience I guest you will be more confident next time.

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