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    #16
    I'll second the folks who feel like they got seconds quality at "first" prices (quotation marks because they were deeply discounted, pretty much to the point of seconds pricing) I got a pair of brown McAllisters during the 40% off sale and I noticed one of the perforations hadn't been removed, so I popped it out myself and noticed the underlying material was bright white, so it stuck out like a sore thumb. It hides under most pants, and I'm afraid they don't have a replacement of similar quality in stock so I haven't returned them, but all things considered I figure I got what I paid for, though had I paid full price I'd be pretty ticked off.

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      #17
      Originally posted by skewl View Post
      I'll second the folks who feel like they got seconds quality at "first" prices (quotation marks because they were deeply discounted, pretty much to the point of seconds pricing) I got a pair of brown McAllisters during the 40% off sale and I noticed one of the perforations hadn't been removed, so I popped it out myself and noticed the underlying material was bright white, so it stuck out like a sore thumb. It hides under most pants, and I'm afraid they don't have a replacement of similar quality in stock so I haven't returned them, but all things considered I figure I got what I paid for, though had I paid full price I'd be pretty ticked off.
      [MENTION=14138]skewl[/MENTION]: You can probably fill it in with a brown sharpie.
      WHY ARE THE GUYS IN SUITS HERE? HAS SOMETHING GONE WRONG?

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        #18
        Or some colored shoe polish/cream.
        Ben

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          #19
          Originally posted by 3piece View Post
          Plot twist: It's the market which left first.
          You think so? If so, why would a big conglomerate buy them out?

          According to Wikipedia, AE grew from 18 stores in 2007 to 78 in 2017. You can estimate sales in 2006 as $100 million US from the information in the Wikipedia article, which is when they re-tooled their factory and also when they sold out for $100 million. (Good timing, right? Just a year or so before the economy started to slide).

          You can find some sources that estimated AE revenue at $175 million in 2016, and at that time AE's president said that after almost failing during the recession, they had consistent growth from 2010 through 2016. And that's when Caleres purchased AE.

          From my own personal experience, I can say that I only recently became a fan of AE shoes and I've purchased five pairs in the last year. I probably purchased two of them because of really low sales prices, but still would have purchased three. One pair I paid full price for and the other two were on sale, but not at those fire sales prices. I became a fan of the quality and customer service after becoming unhappy with what seemed like a quality decline in J&M shoes over the years and others in that price range--AND--I talked AE up enough that a couple of my co-workers also purchased pairs for the first time. To me, J&M left the slightly upscale market and I found AE to be a great replacement at a higher price that was not unreasonable after being adjusted for inflation. (It's been odd to me that a lot of the brands like J&M, Kenneth Cole, and Bostonian seem to have maintained prices in the $100-$200 range for many years--some about two decades--they can only do this by cutting costs, right? And my observation is that the quality has gone down on those brands. As to the truly upscale brands like Alden--I had zero experience with them, so I can't comment.)

          So, I'm not sure that the market left AE. It seems like they were on a growth curve when they sold out in 2016. I can't find separate revenue figures for after that, but there's no reason to believe that sales went down.

          Based on what I've seen, the new AE is hoping to maintain the current customer base AND entice new younger buyers, in hopes of growing even faster. Given that younger buyers are generally dressing less formally, AE is going to need to show their shoes in less formal settings with chinos and jeans and such instead of suits and dress trousers.

          And from my own personal experience again, I've followed that trend, even though I'm older. In the last year I've started wearing my dress shoes with jeans and chinos.

          As far as quality--well, I was in a Nordstrom Rack (my wife was shopping) yesterday and looking at J&M, BM, Kenneth Cole, and lots of other shoes. Despite the minor imperfections I've found in my AE shoes, they are miles ahead of the cheap looking crap I saw in that store yesterday.
          WHY ARE THE GUYS IN SUITS HERE? HAS SOMETHING GONE WRONG?

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            #20
            Originally posted by mebejoseph View Post
            You think so? If so, why would a big conglomerate buy them out?

            According to Wikipedia, AE grew from 18 stores in 2007 to 78 in 2017. You can estimate sales in 2006 as $100 million US from the information in the Wikipedia article, which is when they re-tooled their factory and also when they sold out for $100 million. (Good timing, right? Just a year or so before the economy started to slide).

            You can find some sources that estimated AE revenue at $175 million in 2016, and at that time AE's president said that after almost failing during the recession, they had consistent growth from 2010 through 2016. And that's when Caleres purchased AE.

            From my own personal experience, I can say that I only recently became a fan of AE shoes and I've purchased five pairs in the last year. I probably purchased two of them because of really low sales prices, but still would have purchased three. One pair I paid full price for and the other two were on sale, but not at those fire sales prices. I became a fan of the quality and customer service after becoming unhappy with what seemed like a quality decline in J&M shoes over the years and others in that price range--AND--I talked AE up enough that a couple of my co-workers also purchased pairs for the first time. To me, J&M left the slightly upscale market and I found AE to be a great replacement at a higher price that was not unreasonable after being adjusted for inflation. (It's been odd to me that a lot of the brands like J&M, Kenneth Cole, and Bostonian seem to have maintained prices in the $100-$200 range for many years--some about two decades--they can only do this by cutting costs, right? And my observation is that the quality has gone down on those brands. As to the truly upscale brands like Alden--I had zero experience with them, so I can't comment.)

            So, I'm not sure that the market left AE. It seems like they were on a growth curve when they sold out in 2016. I can't find separate revenue figures for after that, but there's no reason to believe that sales went down.

            Based on what I've seen, the new AE is hoping to maintain the current customer base AND entice new younger buyers, in hopes of growing even faster. Given that younger buyers are generally dressing less formally, AE is going to need to show their shoes in less formal settings with chinos and jeans and such instead of suits and dress trousers.

            And from my own personal experience again, I've followed that trend, even though I'm older. In the last year I've started wearing my dress shoes with jeans and chinos.

            As far as quality--well, I was in a Nordstrom Rack (my wife was shopping) yesterday and looking at J&M, BM, Kenneth Cole, and lots of other shoes. Despite the minor imperfections I've found in my AE shoes, they are miles ahead of the cheap looking crap I saw in that store yesterday.
            I think you're right. The old lineup (Strands etc) made them tons of money so they raised the price. And now the new lineup is priced at the sweet spot.

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              #21
              Turns out the sky is in fact falling. Slowly, I'll of course concede. But it's definitely comin down.

              It's like Caleres looked around, and though "hm, what other great american company can we buy, gut, re-brand, outsource, and destroy? THAT ONE RIGHT THERE!!!"

              It's the Caleres modus operandi to the letter. Expect to be able to find "high quality Allen Edmonds" in famous footwears across the country sooner rather than later.
              https://www.professorhorseyhead.com

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                #22
                Originally posted by hornsup84 View Post
                Seems like they got rid of their Italian bit loafer that was excellent... may need to try to grab another pair before they ghost from stores as well... and have that be the last AE shoe I purchase, bc most of this stuff looks like rubbish now. Very unfortunate that all the concerns everyone had re: the buyout seem to be coming true over time.
                Update: I accidentally hit an ad to AE on a website (the Google Amazon Bezos big brother is always watching!) earlier today, and it looks like they did not get rid of their bit loafer that I like so much. Seems like they've either added back a lot of shoes, or at least fixed their links/ordering/categories to work better. Doesn't change the bad experiences people are having, but at least not all out war on my shoe collection immediately.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by hornsup84 View Post
                  Update: I accidentally hit an ad to AE on a website (the Google Amazon Bezos big brother is always watching!) earlier today, and it looks like they did not get rid of their bit loafer that I like so much. Seems like they've either added back a lot of shoes, or at least fixed their links/ordering/categories to work better. Doesn't change the bad experiences people are having, but at least not all out war on my shoe collection immediately.
                  How many pairs of bit loafers does one man need?
                  WHY ARE THE GUYS IN SUITS HERE? HAS SOMETHING GONE WRONG?

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                    #24
                    The "New" Allen Edmonds?

                    Originally posted by mebejoseph View Post
                    How many pairs of bit loafers does one man need?



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                      #25
                      Late to this party, but just stumbled across these, and they look pretty good. Still goodyear welted but with a much less stubby cap toe than the Park Avenue. Not that it cancels out the other stuff, but maybe some of the change will still be good.

                      https://www.allenedmonds.com/just-sh...r=3418#start=1

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                        #26
                        Anybody figure out what a "speed welt" is?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Deke View Post
                          Late to this party, but just stumbled across these, and they look pretty good. Still goodyear welted but with a much less stubby cap toe than the Park Avenue. Not that it cancels out the other stuff, but maybe some of the change will still be good.

                          https://www.allenedmonds.com/just-sh...r=3418#start=1
                          They do look quite nice. I know people don't love the so called stubby cap on Park aves, but these look like they have the same proportion as my Lexington's and those things creased in the middle of the cap and looked pretty bad within a few wears. The stubby cap may indeed serve a purpose.

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                            #28
                            The latest AE catalog is a clear sign that the company wants to make itself more casual and appealing to wider population. Probably time to try other brands...

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                              #29
                              I have 5 pairs of AE shoes, a first, two seconds and two eBay finds. I really like their shoes and was excited to find such a good deal during the Labor Day sale and it was a disaster. Took them 7 days to ship the shoes. Once in hand, the McCallisters I ordered look like I welted the soles. Had perforations that were not cut out completely. I sent them back, received a pair of Fifth Avenues as a replacement and the leather was blotchy with clear imperfections like scuffs and scars. Sent me another pair of Fifth Avenues from their new “coffee” brown. When I think of coffee I think of dark brown, not the girly coffee that has more cream than coffee. The shoes were the latter.

                              Time to find a new brand.

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                                #30
                                These are pictures from a recent AE/Massdrop campaign...(not factory seconds). If this is what we can expect from the "new" AE they're in trouble.



                                https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_co...in&h=425&dpr=1

                                https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_co...in&h=425&dpr=1

                                https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_co...in&h=425&dpr=1

                                https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_co...in&h=425&dpr=1

                                https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_co...in&h=425&dpr=1

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