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  • Hierophant
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    FWIW: if you're willing to wiggle your budget a little, if you're willing to look outside JE/Meermin, and if you're willing to play the seconds game, I'd strongly recommend upgrading to Fifth Avenues seconds from Allen Edmonds through shoebank.com. I think it's a significant value increase from JE/Meermin for a relatively small price bump.

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  • Hebrew Barrister
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    Neither. Becket and Simonon, provided you have an average width foot and don't mind waiting a couple months. The leather is at least as good, out of the box comfort is great, and QC is pretty good. You get 20% off or so if it's your first purchase, putting you at $150-160 for a pair.

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  • winghus
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    To the OP, Meermin seconds are sold on ebay at auction and usually go for a pretty good discount over first quality pricing. Sometimes enthusiastic bidders take the price to where you would be better off buying firsts but normally they go for $125 or less.

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  • winghus
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    Originally posted by batkins9 View Post
    I have a pair of each and love them both. The Jacks are the Jasper oxfords in burgundy. Nice leather, good comfort, though their GYW is a bit thick in my opinion. If you're looking at one of their blake stitched models, that shouldn't be a problem.

    The Meermin I have are a pair of pebble grain longwing bluchers. They are possibly my favorite shoe right now. I hear a lot about how Meermin are tough to break in, but I had zero discomfort with them. I did have the chance to try a few pair on in their NYC store, so maybe that helped. I found that in their Rui last (the bluchers), I wear 8.5uk and in their Hiro and Rois lasts, a 9uk is more comfortable. I like them so much, I am itching to buy another pair, but I can't quite justify it.

    As for pricing, Meermin will be more expensive after VAT is added. Jack Erwin will be a straight $195. Meermin will end between $210 and $220. The pair I bought in store were $212 after taxes, etc. Still, my vote is Meermin.
    VAT isn't charged to non-EU customers, shipping IS charged and that's what brings the price to $210.

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  • batkins9
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    I have a pair of each and love them both. The Jacks are the Jasper oxfords in burgundy. Nice leather, good comfort, though their GYW is a bit thick in my opinion. If you're looking at one of their blake stitched models, that shouldn't be a problem.

    The Meermin I have are a pair of pebble grain longwing bluchers. They are possibly my favorite shoe right now. I hear a lot about how Meermin are tough to break in, but I had zero discomfort with them. I did have the chance to try a few pair on in their NYC store, so maybe that helped. I found that in their Rui last (the bluchers), I wear 8.5uk and in their Hiro and Rois lasts, a 9uk is more comfortable. I like them so much, I am itching to buy another pair, but I can't quite justify it.

    As for pricing, Meermin will be more expensive after VAT is added. Jack Erwin will be a straight $195. Meermin will end between $210 and $220. The pair I bought in store were $212 after taxes, etc. Still, my vote is Meermin.

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  • Alex.C
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    Originally posted by CJMichaelRay View Post
    Ugh. That was my biggest frustration. Always being told that an 11E at Allen edmonds would be the same as a 10D at Meermin (because UK sizing). And getting them in the mail only to be so small that it felt like my toes were gonna break.

    I have the opposite problem, I'm an 11B, and they've told me to do with a 10D as well. Think I'd be alright given the difference in our widths? I've been wary of pulling the trigger.

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  • CJMichaelRay
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    Originally posted by kongmw View Post
    Unless you live in NYC so that you can go try on shoes at the Meermin store, buying from them is a bit of a gamble, doesn't matter how many Meermin sizing thread you've pored over.
    Ugh. That was my biggest frustration. Always being told that an 11E at Allen edmonds would be the same as a 10D at Meermin (because UK sizing). And getting them in the mail only to be so small that it felt like my toes were gonna break.

    Originally posted by Evenflow View Post
    Brooks Brothers Park Avenues or 5th Avenues on sale for 269.

    I'd get the Meermin over the JE.
    Ever since the price hike, I don’t think they’ve gone down that low in years. Although factory seconds can be had for below $200 pretty often, and that’s how I picked up my black 5th Aves for $195

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  • Evenflow
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    Brooks Brothers Park Avenues or 5th Avenues on sale for 269.

    I'd get the Meermin over the JE.

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  • DC1873
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    Thanks all for the advice!

    To be clear, I have at least 5 pairs of different dress shoes (though none is the same quality as JE or Meermin). My only pair of "nice" dress shoes is a pair of AE Seconds Carlyles, and are frankly terrible (should have sent them back when I bought them). I do like the AE Hopkinson (have tried it on in person), just cannot afford to spend that much right now.

    I appreciate all the continued feedback! It's definitely helpful, and sounds like I can't really go wrong either way

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  • facelessghost
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    Originally posted by mebejoseph View Post

    Like I said, I'll skip suggesting these AE shoes for just $55 more:

    https://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/m...sz=18&start=24
    For what it's worth, those Exchange Places don't look nearly as good in person as they do online. I've got a pair in my car right now that I picked up a few weeks ago when they were only $200. They're in my car because I'm probably taking them back to the store after work. The "slightly chiseled toe" turns out to be a sawed-off chisel toe, which comes dangerously close to a square toe . At least, it does in 12D.

    I would suggest OP consider the following option, which I also have and may instead of the Exchange Places (I'm also in the market for a black cap toe):

    https://www.nordstromrack.com/shop/p...rd?color=BLACK

    Construction and materials do seem to be a step below AE, but the shape of the last is much nicer.

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  • ryan850
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    That is true. Carry on 👍👍

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  • Alex.C
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    Originally posted by ryan850 View Post
    Def get 2 pairs. Makes the shoes last 10x longer.

    I'd recommend the Bartlett in brown and the hopkinson in merlot due to the sale.

    These would be the only 2 shows youd need for a while (could also get a black pair at some point)

    Hopkinson in merlot
    https://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/m...rd/SF7685.html

    Bartlett in brown
    https://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/m...rd/SF7643.html
    While it's advisable to have 2-3 pairs of dress shoes if you wear a suit nearly everyday, this advice is objectively not helpful.

    The total for the two shoes recommend is $660... The OP's budget was about $220... at the top end. OP hasn't indicated he's ignorant of dress shoes, or has none, just that he needs a new pair of black cap toes. Neither of these recommendations meet his requirements.

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  • kongmw
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    I have a pair from each, although neither are dress shoes.

    I've had a pair of suede chelseas from Jack Erwin for 2+ years and just got a pair of unlined suede penny loafers from Meermin about 2 days ago. I like the Meermin suede better than JE's although the JE's have been very comfortable with little break-in period. Price-wise they are basically the same. You pay $35 (non-refundable) shipping for Meermin (or buy them at $195? at the soho store), which brings the price to basically JE level if not more. Unless you live in NYC so that you can go try on shoes at the Meermin store, buying from them is a bit of a gamble, doesn't matter how many Meermin sizing thread you've pored over. For a first pair, I'd lean towards JE just for their free shipping and returns.

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  • ryan850
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    Def get 2 pairs. Makes the shoes last 10x longer.

    I'd recommend the Bartlett in brown and the hopkinson in merlot due to the sale.

    These would be the only 2 shows youd need for a while (could also get a black pair at some point)

    Hopkinson in merlot
    https://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/m...rd/SF7685.html

    Bartlett in brown
    https://www.allenedmonds.com/shoes/m...rd/SF7643.html

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  • mebejoseph
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    Originally posted by DC1873 View Post
    Hello all.

    I am in the market for some new black, cap toe oxfords. Trying to decide between Meermin and Jack Erwin. Price is similar, although Jack Erwin’s appear to be $20 or so more expensive.

    Any thoughts or preferences? I honestly don’t know if there is a “better” choice since they both have been recommended by the main board.

    For reference, I work in a very formal environment and wear a suit 5 days a week.

    Thanks for the tips.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Because you're wearing suits five days a week, I'm assuming that you're wearing dress shoes five days a week as well. If so, I'm sure you've read the basic advice of NOT wearing the same shoes two days in a row. My experience is that shoes last so much longer when you switch them out.

    So, if don't have another pair, and have the budget for it, do consider getting an additional pair of decent shoes when you can swing it.

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