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  • Clarkie_415
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    "2) You have a high arch and the vamp is not tall enough. It won't be as comfortable because the shoe is now being held on by shoelaces pulling across the top of your foot as opposed to more of the leather wrapping your foot."

    [MENTION=13775]connersw[/MENTION] nailed it right here for me. I found that going up to an E width allowed for comfort across the top of my foot on my oxford bal's (mcallisters,strands) while i could get away with a D width on the open lacing of a blucher (macneil,yorktown).

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  • ac6
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    Originally posted by Vicious49 View Post
    I'm not a fan of AE's 5 last. It does not work well for my foot. I have a high instep/arch as well as a bit wider in the toes.
    Lots of people aren't fans, but I don't really know what is meant by "the modern American man's foot" here, unless both you and connersw purport to represent all modern American men. The 5 last fits me just fine.

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  • Vicious49
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    Originally posted by connersw View Post
    This is the main problem with AE balmorals. Most popular models are on the 5 last which no longer accomodates the modern American mans foot. I really wish they would switch more of them to the 7.
    I'm not a fan of AE's 5 last. It does not work well for my foot. I have a high instep/arch as well as a bit wider in the toes.

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  • connersw
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    Originally posted by aps2012 View Post
    I don't understand this. I've got a gap about that size on a pair of Fifth Aves I'm wearing today. I walk a bit more than a mile to and from work every day and the shoes stay on my feet and are comfortable. How do my shoes not fit me???

    I just don't see how this is the same as sleeves being too long or jackets being too short.
    If your shoe has a gap that big, there are two possible reasons.

    1) You have flat feet and the shoe is not wide enough. It won't be as comfortable because it is probably also too narrow in the toe box. Try a wider sizer.
    2) You have a high arch and the vamp is not tall enough. It won't be as comfortable because the shoe is now being held on by shoelaces pulling across the top of your foot as opposed to more of the leather wrapping your foot. You can try a larger or wider size, but if that makes the ball of your foot not line up correctly or the toe box too big, you should try a different last or brand.

    Eventually, the leather can start to pull and spread leading to gaping at the top of the shoe. Fortunately, AE uses 6-eyelets on most of their shoes as opposed to 5-eyelets where that can get more prominent. The extra eyelet helps lock the heel down so it doesn't pull as much.

    My comment regarding jackets was not about comfort, but rather that this forum seems to vacillate between fit is king and it's good enough. While I agree that MTM perfection is an exhausting goal, if something really doesn't fit, we should be honest in saying it doesn't fit regardless of how good a deal we got. Take a look at [MENTION=4069]JBarwick[/MENTION] picture from WIWT the other day. His fit is always on point and so were his shoes. Are they laced up perfectly tight closing the V? No, but they are great fit that doesn't have to be perfection. Now compare that to the first picture in this thread where the leather doesn't even wrap around his talus on the right foot.

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  • srlclark
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    He has a very traditional view of what fits and what doesn't. It's not "supposed" to have a gap, so if it does have a gap, it doesn't fit. And as "fit" has two meanings - both how something is supposed to look and how something should feel - but they often get blurred into one, the conclusion traditionalists draw is that if it doesn't look as it is "supposed" to look and if that means it doesn't fit, then it can't be comfortable, even if it is comfortable.

    On the two meanings of "fit," note that it is also the case that sleeves that are too long or jackets that are too short could also be comfortable. They just don't look like they are supposed to look.

    Originally posted by aps2012 View Post
    I don't understand this. I've got a gap about that size on a pair of Fifth Aves I'm wearing today. I walk a bit more than a mile to and from work every day and the shoes stay on my feet and are comfortable. How do my shoes not fit me???

    I just don't see how this is the same as sleeves being too long or jackets being too short.

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  • srlclark
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    Originally posted by Alex1 View Post
    I have a somewhat high instep; so, I have a pretty large v-gap on my 5-last Allen Edmonds balmoral shoes. My feet were measured at the AE store, and I was told that I had the correct size.

    For me, this issue falls into the "perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" category. See Joe's article:

    https://dappered.com/2014/03/why-pur...yle-is-stupid/

    The important point here is to not let something like this make you feel any less confident. If you enjoy shoe shopping and have some money to burn, then go ahead and spend the extra time and money to find the perfect fit. I might do that one day, but for now, I'm very happy with what I have.
    Agreed. I also don't buy that the gap is a question of the shoe being too narrow. I usually buy D-width AEs, but C width is actually better for me. I both measure as a C and have tried Cs on in store and found them comfortable. However, AE doesn't make many shoes in a C width, and the B is too narrow. As I usually buy AE at the Shoe Bank or on clearance, I can't often find one I like in a C width. I'd rather have the shoe be slightly - and it is ever so slightly - wider than it should be than be too narrow. I still have a gap with many of my shoes even though they are slightly wider than they would ideally be. And they are all perfectly comfortable, especially after I break them in.
    Last edited by srlclark; August 25, 2016, 12:36 PM.

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  • aps2012
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    Originally posted by connersw View Post
    Those shoes do not fit.
    I don't understand this. I've got a gap about that size on a pair of Fifth Aves I'm wearing today. I walk a bit more than a mile to and from work every day and the shoes stay on my feet and are comfortable. How do my shoes not fit me???

    I just don't see how this is the same as sleeves being too long or jackets being too short.
    Last edited by aps2012; August 25, 2016, 12:16 PM.

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  • blau19
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    So now I know "V gap" is a thing...my V gap on the AE 5 last was up to 1.25" before--similar to the picture in the first post. If I pull them really tight, I can take off half-an-inch or so. Now I'll be self conscious about my feet not looking like footballs. Thank goodness for the Labor Day tent sale--I have to replace all my AE's...

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  • Useknifeonly
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    TIL: that this was an issue for people, the world is a curious place.

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  • Rawfull
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    Originally posted by Alex1 View Post
    for now, I'm very happy with what I have.
    That's the only thing that matters. Perfect is overrated.

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  • Alex1
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    I have a somewhat high instep; so, I have a pretty large v-gap on my 5-last Allen Edmonds balmoral shoes. My feet were measured at the AE store, and I was told that I had the correct size.

    For me, this issue falls into the "perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" category. See Joe's article:

    https://dappered.com/2014/03/why-pur...yle-is-stupid/

    The important point here is to not let something like this make you feel any less confident. If you enjoy shoe shopping and have some money to burn, then go ahead and spend the extra time and money to find the perfect fit. I might do that one day, but for now, I'm very happy with what I have.

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  • Spex
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    Originally posted by ac6 View Post
    That gap looks big to me, but if they're new they'll probably close a little bit more as they stretch out over time.
    This is my experience as well. If you buy shoes where the gap is too close there's the risk that they will stretch out to the point where the laces come together and the shoe is too loose. To the OP - how long have you worn your Stands?

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  • connersw
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    Those shoes do not fit. The v does not have to completely close. In fact, if it does, they are too big and will probably crease funny. However, that gap is too wide. You can try a bigger width, but it should fit the ball of your foot well first, then lace well.

    This is the main problem with AE balmorals. Most popular models are on the 5 last which no longer accomodates the modern American mans foot. I really wish they would switch more of them to the 7.

    No, no one is going to say something to you, but there are people who will notice. More importantly, you are wearing a shoe that isn't as comfortable as it could be. If a wider size is too wide across the toe box, you can try the JAB or BB version--some of those are on the 7.

    I see this mostly with shoes, then jackets, then pants. Not every style of every brand fits everyone. If a shirt didn't fit right, you wouldn't wear it. Maybe it's due to the higher cost associated with the items. If you think you got a good deal on a high value item, you want to force it, even when the fit is off.

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  • Rpd362
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    I have the same scenario with the v gap. However, I have a higher instep. I would have to size up in width a significant amount to account for it to the point the shoes would be uncomfortable. It does not bother me and no one has ever said anything. Even I do not look at it on other people. But I am not a foot guy anyway

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  • theplayerking
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    opinions in v gaps in oxfords?

    Oxfords are tricky to fit, which I suspect is why most stores don't stock many of them.

    Incidentally, I think Carmina shoes are beautiful, but I won't buy a pair of their oxfords. They don't come in variable widths and don't lace properly on my feet. It's also why I don't buy oxfords online. I have to try various widths and sizes to get the one that's right.

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    Last edited by theplayerking; August 23, 2016, 10:34 PM.

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