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    The Official Timepiece Deals Thread: Open Thread



    Now for everyone's favorite part: BUYING THAT WATCH!


    There are a few ways to purchase a watch.


    From an authorized dealer.

    Pros: Brand new watch to make it your own, full manufacturer warranty available, dealer perks (e.g. discounts on maintenance, bracelet re-sizings). Cons: Cost will be much more than purchasing secondhand off forums.


    From a forum member.

    Pros: Cost will be a fraction of full retail. You can often get a fantastic price on a lightly used watch! This has been my primary mode of acquisition. Cons: Condition will vary, manufacturer warranty may not be available or honored, vetting the seller is more important than a dealer since this will likely not be a face-to-face transaction.


    From a commercial website that is not an authorized dealer

    Companies like Jomashop.com and Amazon.com are what are termed as "grey market" sellers since the watches they offer typically do not come with the original manufacturer's warranty. Why is this? Well, there is a reason that shops like Torneau charge what they do to stay in business- being an authorized dealer means you can offer the warranty and obtain certain inventory to be sold. Grey market dealers do not pay the royalties or licensing fees to the original manufacturer, but offer their own warranty service (quality varies) instead of the manufacturer warranty. I purchased my Tissot from Jomashop before I knew what I was really doing, but since it is quartz I haven't had any trouble with it. The key is to use caution here. There are deals to be had on brand new watches from grey market dealers, but ensure you have done your research before pulling the trigger.


    Pawn shop/Estate sale/garage sale

    Success rate varies here. Only recommended for people who really know what they're doing.


    The Purchasing Process (Most applicable for transactions that are not directly with an authorized watch dealer)


    I) "Buy the seller, not the product." Everybody likes a good deal, but just as with menswear, price is often only the preliminary consideration we look at before evaluating a purchase. It gets us in the conversation, but always remember to research the competition, ask lots of questions, and evaluate whether the seller is someone who has good feedback from other sellers and buyers.


    Research the seller’s other posts (see if all they do is post sales or if they actually contribute to the discussion as well), seek out other forum members’ opinions on the seller, and ask to get actual pictures of the watch with a dated newspaper or handwritten placard to ensure you get photographs of the actual watch you’re purchasing. These are just a handful of tips to make sure you’re not dropping serious dough for an empty box or a broken timepiece that is beyond repair (or prohibitively expensive). Check to see if the seller is a "good guy" or not- typically a forum thread offered in the Buying/Selling area of a forum. Examine the posted pictures for defects or damage.


    Advice on Things to Ask a Seller

    1) If you want more pictures or clearer pictures of a watch from a particular angle, always ask! Most folks are watch enthusiasts and not professional photographers, so most people will willingly oblige your requests.


    2) Ask for service history on a mechanical or automatic watch - especially if it's an older model. A lot of sellers will disclose this as an advantage (recently regulated watches will have the watchmaker's feedback on its accuracy and performance).


    3) I like to ask someone why they're selling a watch if it's not already posted in the description. They don't have to answer, but I'll throw it in a private message since I like to know (e.g. did they just fall out of love with it, need to sell to fund another purchase, or didn't like a particular aspect of it).


    4) Feel free to negotiate a bit but don't insult them by lowballing. These encounters can risk your reputation in the forums, and since a lot of members are knowledgeable people in a small community, lowballing with unrealistic prices can hurt your credibility and future inquiries to other buyers.


    II) Ask “why”? Do you need this watch to complete your collection, or are you buying more of the same? Are you buying something for the short run (fashion) or does this watch add something special to enhance or broaden the versatility of your collection?


    It’s often tempting to impulse buy something- especially when it’s offered at a significant discount compared to retail price. Watches are a more timeless (no pun intended) since they represent a particular aesthetic (e.g. vintage, military, sport). Thus, they are somewhat less susceptible to fashion trends than the rest of a man’s wardrobe. However, this also means that a watch is going to look the same today as it will 10 years from now, so if you don’t like it now, it is very unlikely your impression will change over time (though it can happen).


    It is important to pay attention to your first impressions, because they tell you if a watch is “you” or not. Forum members often ask if a watch “speaks” to you. By this they mean if a watch captures your aesthetic, or attracts you on a lasting personal basis. I personally take a cooling off period of 3 days to determine if a particular watch is something I need to have, or if I can simply admire it from afar (save the picture of it on my desktop and call it a day).


    III) Product Research Ok, now that you’ve determined that the seller can be trusted and decided you want to proceed, you need to examine the actual product offered for sale. What is the pedigree of the manufacturer? Have they been around for a while? If it is a mechanical or automatic watch, what movement powers the watch? It is generally regarded as reliable?


    Where to Buy:


    Forums

    Watchuseek.com (WUS): The most visited watch site in the world, WUS is a wonderful resource for starting your watch buying journey. Members can learn about, discuss, and purchase a wide variety of watches here (from sub-$100 to well over $10,000). I have nothing but good things to say about the vigilance of this community to ensuring a safe, trusted place to buy, sell, and trade watches. Similar to: Putthison.com (for accuracy of information), Dappered.com (for collegiality, community spirit, and helpfulness).


    Timezone.com (TZ): Another great site – like Watchuseek.com. I find the website format is simpler but a little less appealing than Watchuseek, but you can find some great deals here as well. Similar to: Dappered.com and Ask Andy About Clothes.


    Poor Man’s Watch Forum (PMWF): http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/index.php - Great place for starting out with inexpensive ($100-$500) to mid-priced ($500-1000) watches. Similar to: Dappered.com in purpose and pricepoint.


    TimeKeeper Forum: http://www.timekeeperforum.com/forum.php - Have not visited much, but another good place to seek out deals.


    Websites:

    http://www.westcoastime.com - Lots of great gems here. WUS forum sponsor.


    #2


    Anyone have any advice to repairing a flaw from me dropping a "glass top" watch (Fossil starck) the glass is fused to the top with no metal, and there's a spot where the glass is chipped but the chip never fell out.

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      #3


      A lot of forum members recommend Brasso polish to get out scratches, but I'm not sure if a deep chip is salvageable (hard to tell without pictures).


      Brief primer: http://www.ehow.com/how_5880628_fix-...l-scratch.html

      Discussion here: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/mineral-crystal-scrath-removal-228323.html


      Hope those help for you! Good luck!

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        #4


        By the way, I started a reference thread here: http://threads.dappered.com/topic/th...ference-thread (feel free to post there- this is mostly for deals . I'll add the info provided there.

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          #5


          Just thought I'd post a few standout items for folks to look at. It looks like a Hamilton day today (and 1 Seagull). As always, please note I am not affiliated with any of these sellers. I post items which seem to offer good value for price offered. Please note that many of these watches are pre-owned and may not come with any warranty. Purchase at your own risk.


          That said, I have purchased the majority of my watches (Hamiltons and other watches) from forums. Thus, I feel confident in this form of shopping and list these for your consideration.


          $50-$499 PRICE RANGE


          Seagull M222s (hand-wound mechanical)

          Offered For Price: $200

          MSRP: $279

          Condition: Like new

          Specifications from Seagull USA website (since the poster was a little light on details)

          Movement: Sea-Gull hand-winding movement ST3600, 17 [jewels]

          Case: Stainless steel, 44mm without crown

          Band: Genuine black leather strap

          Dial: Black dial with orange hands and hour markers

          Crystal: Sapphire crystal (front and back)

          Water Resistance: 50M


          Link: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-seagull-orange-black-m222s-price-reduction-%24200-723588.html


          Comments: Little known by others outside of watch enthusiast circles but growing in popularity among folks who want an automatic watch with display back but don't want to break the bank, Seagull watches have gained a following in the last couple of years. Originating in China, Seagull watches have provided a level of value that sets them apart from their less reliable compatriots. A good entry level watch, if a bit large.


          Reviews here:

          http://forums.watchuseek.com/f72/my-...2s-239039.html

          http://www.webwatchworld.com/sea-gull-m222s/


          Hamilton Khaki Pilot with Extra Strap

          Condition: "worn twice; like new"

          Offered for Price: $290

          MSRP: $595.00

          Amazon Price: ~$348.50

          Comments: A solid performer for those looking for a sportier watch. Day and date complication, comes with bracelet and strap. 42 MM- a little on the larger side, but not like the 45 mm Jazzmaster Maestro below.


          Link: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/hamilton-khaki-pilot-extra-strap-%24290-724234.html


          $500-$1000 PRICE RANGE


          Hamilton Jazzmaster Traveler GMT 2

          Offered For Price: $600

          MSRP: $1245

          Amazon: $920

          Condition: "Near mint"

          Link: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...26#msg_6229810

          Comments: Another Hamilton, but this time with the GMT feature, allowing you to know the time in two time zones. Date complication.


          User review here: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f74/hamilton-jazzmaster-traveler-gmt-ii-200m-review-517232.html


          Hamilton 45mm Jazzmaster Maestro (automatic)

          Offered For Price: $799

          Condition: very good ("95%")

          MSRP: $1,645.00

          Amazon price: $1,103.10

          Comments: At 45 mm, this is a big watch that will not look good on someone with narrow wrists. If you can rock it, it has the day and date complication as well as full chronograph functionality.


          Link: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=6231612&rid=83926#msg_623161 2


          Background

          Hamilton was formerly based in Lancaster, PA and has a long history of American watchmaking. It is currently owned by the same company that owns Omega and Tissot. Read more about Hamilton here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Watch_Company.

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            #6


            I'd like to throw my favorite sub-$1000 watches into the ring:


            Marathon G-SAR Automatic (ETA movement)

            <a HREF="http://www.survivalmonkey.com/threads/marathon-gsar-automatic-watch-review.18869/">http://www.survivalmonkey.com/thread...-review.18869/

            The G-SAR is a really well-made diver that may a bit clunky for some. It's tough to wear to work due to its extremely high profile, but I think it's a really cool and relatively affordable alternative to say, the Submariner. It retails for $900 but I bought mine for $700 at Chronoworld.


            Orient Explorer Automatic (Japanese movement)

            </a><a HREF="http://dappered.com/2011/06/orient-watch-50-off-code-giveaway/">http://dappered.com/2011/06/orient-w...code-giveaway/

            This has been discussed ad nauseum on Dappered, but it's my go-to watch and can be had for well under $500 with a coupon. I usually pair mine with the Maratac James Bond strap.


            Also, Chrono24.com is a pretty popular marketplace for watches. It's mostly unauthorized, but trusted, resellers, but there are also many private sellers on the site.</a>

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              #7


              Thanks for posting Chetsteadman! I love my GSAR though I don't to wear it much since it's so big.


              Forgot to add Chrono24.com - thanks for mentioning it!

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                #8


                how about under $200?

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                  #9


                  Hi jake89, what kind of watch are you looking for? Dress, sport?


                  Brands to avoid:

                  Invicta (high variance in reliability)

                  Stuhrling (high variance in reliability)


                  Suggestions:


                  1) Dress watch - Bulova 96A108 Automatic. Brown dial.
                  1. Men's automatic-mechanical strap watch brown dial

                    Domed mineral crystal; even tail white luminous filled hands

                    Stainless steel case and brown leather strap


                    Screw back; exhibition mineral crystal case back; Oscillator

                    Water-resistant to 99 feet (30 M)



                  http://amzn.to/MulY69


                  2) Same as above but with stainless steel bracelet and black dial .(http://amzn.to/T0Xe96).


                  Large casual sport watch - Seagull M222s - $165. Orange hands, Mechanical handwound, sapphire sandwich (front and back), display caseback, decorated movement, small seconds complication. http://bit.ly/QMf0Kv

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                    #10


                    thanks for the response.

                    Im looking for a dress watch.

                    Im not a fan of the Brown on Brown look.how are their bands?

                    They look like the KC bands.

                    In terms of the sea-gul, looks nice, but not a fan of the orange.

                    I'm actually looking for a black dial/black band stainless steel. I've seen it on a few folks.


                    for the sake of sanity, I responded in the other thread in terms of other questions.

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                      #11


                      As a confessed watch snob I would like to share some sources where you can find great watches and low prices.


                      New

                      www.princetonwatches.com - great customer service and some of the best prices I have seen on new watches. If you must by new then this is a great place to start. They are an authorized Hamilton dealer so you will get all the paperwork as well as the Hamilton warranty.


                      Used - Don't be scared of buying used. Two current watches in my collection are used and they were in excelletent condition. Buying used does require research and patience for the finding the right watch.


                      Amazon.com - Many times they Amazon will list a few price. The main price is from the preferred vendor and then they will also if any of a particular model is available used. This is a great way to get a high end watch at a steep discount. Amazon will also protect you against fakes.


                      Watchuseek.com - Bought my TAG from this site. I found the watch I wanted and stalked the seller. I reviewed his previous sales and his posts in the forums. I ended up getting a very well kept Series 1 Formula 1 for next to nothing.

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                        #12


                        As if watch snobs weren't obnoxious enough already -- now we've got them using "timepieces"...

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                          #13


                          I have a theory: I call my watches "watches". Men who need to justify their watch purchases to their wives or S.O. call them "timepieces."

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                            #14


                            @jake89


                            Look at Orient (Mako) & Seiko for Black Dial/Metal Band watches.

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                              #15


                              I thought I would update this thread. Enjoy!


                              Pilot watches (some not chronograph)


                              $60 - Quartz chronograph date complication: looks fantastic (http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=0#msg_6272692).

                              $75. Quartz. Parnis, beautiful white dial. http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?50,446552,446552

                              $75. 40MM Parnis Black Dial quartz watch Full chronograph P139K. http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?50,447584,447584

                              $92 - Fantastic- one of my favorites of the bunch. http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?50,444113,444113. 42mm.

                              $95. Zeno chronograph. 39-40mm.

                              $97 - http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?50,445710,445710

                              $97 - Blue dial, a little different. http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?50,444122,444122

                              $150 - automatic, white dial - http://www.pmwf.com/Phorum/read.php?10,448931,448931

                              $195 - Seiko quartz chronograph. White dial. http://forums.watchuseek.com/f30/fs-...p1-745996.html.

                              $350 - Waltham. http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=0#msg_6278730

                              $450 - Good movement for a very affordable price. http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...o=571237&rid=0

                              $250 Poljot black dial chronograph. http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=0#msg_6272723

                              $275 - white dial manual wind, moonphase complication, Poljot with Cyrillic characters. http://forums.timezone.com/index.php...=0#msg_6272734

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